As a Workstation Operating Systems SysAdmin, I prefer the following to manage large user groups:
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Thanks to (Score:3)
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Are most polls submitted like this? Do you get a lot of poll submissions?
I'm not a "workstation OS sys admin" unless you count my own workstations, so I just picked Linux, and looking at the results I'd imagine that a lot of other people did, too. So I think this is a bit of a weird thing to poll for.
I don't know what kind of workstation we're talking about here, but people should use whatever fits their job best.
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From a management of business perspective and for the ease of use for the staff, Windows 10 is obviously the correct choice, personal preference aside.
What kind of company? Which staff? What you said is objectively wrong. Windows has been optimized for such a generic straw-man of a dimwit user I would argue that it's good for no-one at all except a checkbox. If a users compute needs are truly so minimal as to require a browser and a productivity suite, Chromebook is the best choice.
Once you graduate your
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Your post is very unpopular around here (I should know) but TBH I had the same experience, repeatedly, every 2-3 years since 2001.
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We find the Macs in our company the easier half to admin, the Windows take 90 percent the effort
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Re: Thanks to (Score:1)
You should post new polls more often. I've seen polls left up longer than two weeks, after which the discussion is archived and new comments can't be posted.
Re: Thanks to (Score:2)
I'd use a sheepdog instead.
BeOS (Score:1)
Active Directory? (Score:5, Insightful)
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This poll is so fucking confusing it makes my head hurt. It asks about user groups, and then goes on to list OSes rather than, say LDAP and AD. Also, wtf is a "Workstation Operating Systems SysAdmin". I know what a Workstation Administrator does, but what does Workstation OS Administrator do? Select and install the OS and then call the Workstation Application SysAdmin to finish the workstation? And who the hell uses camel caps in a job description? I'm so confused.
Also "Context clues. Read them." What the
Re: Active Directory? (Score:2)
I'd say this sounds like a terminal services type deal, but TerminalServices/MPS isn't an option. So large groups must mean 5-10 users per PC. Otherwise the Linux box is the only real choice.
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Not really what was being asked based on the choices. Context clues. Read them.
Pretty sure poll was doomed from the start. How many people answered who aren't sysadmins?
It's also beside the point. You don't buy employees personal use hardware based on what the administrators prefer to manage, anymore than I ask my children what homework they prefer to do. The purpose of the hardware is productivity on the job they were hired to do. For anyone doing scientific, engineering or systems development, you need
Re: Active Directory? (Score:2)
"Hey, I run local computer shop and I've got a client that wants 500 machines, and wants me to recommend an operating system to manage them with. Which should I go with?
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Windows 8.1 embedded industry pro is stable and MS did not back-port the spyware on it.
FreeBSD (Score:4, Informative)
Everybody else is a wanna-be...
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nothing truly innovative that "just works".
These might be opposites that don't mix.
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I still miss VMS.
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Me, too.
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LTSB... so far. (Score:4, Interesting)
I've been testing LTSB for deployment and it's by far the most sane for enterprise use. None of the consumer related crap in it.
We are heavily embedded in Microsoft's offerings for now, we are not able to switch everything over to linux. Can't even consider MacOS as their server hardware is... well, nonexistent unless you like Mac Minis scattered all over in your data closet. Even with that, they keep pruning server features away...
If Microsoft's offerings go fully SAAS that may be enough of a push to convince higher ups to look elsewhere.
I use OS X (Score:2, Informative)
Missing option? Save me, Cowboy Neal! (Score:4, Funny)
I feel like I'm supposed to respond to a poll before reading the comments that might influence my response, but in this case there were no relevant options and no escapes. So I took the "I don't know" on grounds that "I wish I did know." I have done some sysop work of various sorts in the past, and the topic is sort of interesting, but it seems that I'm ineligible for this poll... i would go farther and say that most of the responses are probably just OS fanbois.
Trying to imagine the Cowboy Neal escape for this one... Perhaps something like "Hire Cowboy Neal" to manage the users for me?
As polls go, I think my rejected topic on the smart razor and nail trimmers would have appealed to a much broader audience. And that's even without IoT-ing them. Since then I've thought of some improvements for industrial scale nail trimming...
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(missing option) Win 7 (Score:2)
Theres probably still more businesses running Win 7
Re:(missing option) Win 7 (Score:4, Insightful)
We upgraded every single Windows 7 machine to Windows 10 while the free upgrade was still available, online digital licensing is a godsend. It made the transition to Office365 much smoother as well thanks to the integration of OneDrive. The only nuisance we really run into are the feature updates which have a tendency to break things. Businesses still need a version of Windows 10 that has all the advertising removed from the Start Menu, no corporation needs their employees to be playing Candy Crush Saga. In my opinion, at a minimum, all of that crap should automatically uninstall once a system is joined to a domain.
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No no no, all our doman-joined enterprise boxes NEED the XBox app on them!
I voted Linux because Win 10 has been an A+ clusterfuck at my office, with all the different versions running around breaking in different ways when group policies are pushed. Every machine is apparently made of nothing but corner cases or something.
Misleading poll is misleading. (Score:5, Insightful)
Some combination of the poll choices are needed. I also miss having choices like VM/CMS. DECnet or Solaris.
In small offices, it really doesn't matter. You'll be running around updating whatever you have
and spending a whole lot more time on TFA, storage, security, networking and backups.
In larger organizations, you'll be stuck with large amounts of MS, some Apple,and some linux, and god knows what else.
Once it becomes too onerous to just run to anybody's desk whenever they have a problem, that's when the real pain begins.
In organizations with thousands, then's of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, you'll need a lot more people, and a lot more infrastructure services just to keep the employees working. Documentation of work and work orders becomes mandatory, and then politics of the organization become more important than being technically correct.
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You did not notice the mention of "Trusted Solaris" ?
Or "Oracle Unbreakable Linux"
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You can do both... perforce is for management. Git is for developers. Even in places where perforce is enforced you will find developers keep their code in a git repo and only check in perforce when they need to integrate (even if they don't tell you that's what they're doing, which I often do not).
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When many people feel that way, it ends up being a biased poll.
How cute.
So is it "fake news"?
Windows AD (Score:2)
Not generally a fan of Windows, but I feel like managing large numbers of users on Windows 2000 was better than Linux today. I haven't used Windows since then, but I voted for Windows Enterprise assuming it's largely similar today.
Now, auditing large numbers of security principles is a different beast. Linux wins here having a relatively simpler approach to security.
But when I definitely appreciate the granularity on Windows for day-to-day management. The integration of security principles into every level
Even More Confused (Score:5, Informative)
I guess I don't really understand the question. Here we manage our 70/30 mix of Windows/Linux boxes using Group Policy and RSAT for the Windows boxes and Putty for the Linux ones, but since the Group Policy editor and RSAT run from any Windows box, and Putty is, well, really just SSH, then who cares which actual OS one is running to do the administration?
I guess I don't know enough about really big shops. How do big Linux shops go about doing the Linux equivalent of Group Policy anyway?
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with salt, ansible, puppet, etc you can manage everything in the machines
you can deploy already configured config files and tune the permissions (owner root, permissions to read only) if needed
You can deploy whatever you need depending of the user/group/team with a modular system
you can install exactly what you need, remove what you do not need
You have ldap and other central authentication and user management systems
you have nfs and autofs to mount user homes or any other needed central folders
you can even
Chrome OS wasn't an option .. (Score:2)
... so I chose Linux.
No Windows 7 Poll Option? (Score:5, Insightful)
It seems that most lazy/overworked sysadmins like to wait until an OS is near end of life before killing it off, so there are still a LOT of people still using Windows 7 as their base OS image.
I wouldn't set up new systems with that OS today, but it works for slower moving businesses with "legacy" technology.
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It's not a missing option, it falls under "Other". Windows 7 is barely used anymore. Windows 10 is easily the best OS Microsoft has ever made at this point.
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Oh cool did they take the ads out of the Start Menu?
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"Best Microsoft OS" is a pretty low bar.
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Still using windows XP you insensiti
Re: No Windows 7 Poll Option? (Score:2)
Applications, if they are still being updated/developed, take time to get updated, probably should add another six months to the 1 year delay.
Then you've got internal "early adopters", where you allow time to discover issues that were not included in the test parameters. As well as documentation refreshes to account for changes between major revisions of software, or whatever has been chosen to replace the legacy software, or work-arounds to get the legacy software worki
Missing Option (Score:2)
What does the question mean? (Score:2)
I prefer using my MacOS workstation to manage Linux boxes (not the users).
Please let me know what should I tick for the above (& the logic of why) and I'll go back and do it.
LTSP (Score:1)
Terminal systems make things almost enjoyable...some times.
I picked "I don't know" (Score:2)
I could also have picked "other", I guess. But I would have preferred an "they all suck equally badly" option or something similar. The "best" group management systems I've seen (and that's a low bar) have been web front ends on various Unix back ends... but I am no expert.
Windows 95 corporate!!!#@$# (Score:1)
Windows 98 Corporate edition FTW!@!#!#!!!@
It's a trick question (Score:2)
As the only workstation OS on the list is Linux while the rest are for "PCs".
z/OS (Score:2)
Plan 9 (Score:2)
If your users don't know it, they can't fuck it up.
Lunix (Score:1)
Mixed. (Score:2)
I'm pretty much just a glorified desktop support, but that's all the administration that most of our computers ever get. Still, put in a SysAdmin position that would require such workgroup administration of large groups of computers, I'd still prefer a position that contained a mix of different platforms, if just to give me the opportunity to learn how to do each, have my opinions, and complain about the ones I don't like.
I work in a one-man company... (Score:2)
Other (Score:2, Funny)
If I found myself in a workstation OS SysAdmin job I'd quit or kill myself.
Whips and chains (Score:2)
Windows 9x? (Score:1)
Which technologies is better, AWS or Azure (Score:1)
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Preferred option for everything (Score:2)
I prefer making someone else manage it. I feel that should supercede all the available options.
win10 (Score:1)
Microsoft AD makes sense here (Score:1)
Large user groups should have a role model. For managing roles a spreadsheet is usually used. For managing the allowed roles of a large number of users and roles MS AD seems to be the default choice for a large number of corporations. And for managing groups, roles and users you should make your ldap a subset of MS AD.
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Large deployment of Workstaion class computers (Score:2)
Awesome Stuff (Score:1)
bad poll (Score:1)
In terms of very poor choices, I would pick windows because while I think linux would be much nicer for ME to sysadmin, I don't want to deal with "users" bitching about it every day, so I would give them what they're used to.
The question is poorly worded either way though. manage large user groups: you dont manage users with "linux" or "windows" you manage users with user management tools; like perhaps /etc/passwd or users & groups)
"manually" (whether this is
"Active directory domain" (this is regardless